RN and IJN pre dreadnought construction
Hi all, its well known that in the pre dreadnought era the Japanese closely followed RN battleship design, ordering ships from British yards based on RN designs, but always with improvements. For...
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I always thought the export grade ships weren't up to RN specs, such as the Elswick Cruisers
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Kongo was better in every respect than the preceding RN BCs (Lion/Princess Royal/Queen Mary), and at least as good as the following RN BC (Tiger). Kongo's 3 Japanese-built "sisters" incorporated some...
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I wonder how Russia's Retvizan compared to other American battleships.
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I've never looked at that - I should do that.
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As I understand it a bit of the Japanese modifications were in crew accommodation and quarters, with the IJN ships being considerably more spartan than the RN ships. That's not to say that the Kongos...
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In case of Japan predreadnoughts, personally I doubdt if there was any „improvements” over British designs of the era. Better to say „changes” Generally Japan ships were designed with more offensive...
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I understand that the Japanese took some design risks with their machinery that the RN was not prepared to accept. For example they specified Belleville boilers in the Shikishima class at a time when...
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Thanks, it would seem the devil is in the detail- just been reading up about the "Canopus" class in Burt, much debate about the boilers and funnel arrangements.. Original design was three raked...
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bager1968 wrote:I've never looked at that - I should do that.Cramps Yard, Retvisan's builders had experience building USN battleships, and per Wiki Cramps offered to sell modified USN designs....
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US Maine class battleships were based upon the Cramps Retvizan design I believe. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/USS_Maine_BB-10_drydocked.jpg
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Cramps Yard, Retvisan's builders had experience building USN battleships, and per Wiki Cramps offered to sell modified USN designs. However the Russians demanded that Retvisan be based on their...
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Maciej wrote:US just started construction of they [sic] battleline. When Retvizan was tarted [sic] ( 1899 ) what experience had Americans in constructiuon [sic] of ocean going battleships?Cramps...
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About the same time, as Retvisan was build in USA, Tsesarewitch was build in France. On paper "french" ship was much better ( personally I thing in reality much worse ), so Russians were fascinated by...
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I don't think that extensive Russian-British cooperation pre 1904 was really all that possible.
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Maciej wrote:About the same time, as Retvisan was build in USA, Tsesarewitch was build in France. On paper "french" ship was much better ( personally I thing in reality much worse ), so Russians were...
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Russians were building pracitcally two fleets, totally indepemdent, with such differences as it coul be two other nations fleets. One for Baltic, one for Black sea. Only after Dreadnought it changes a...
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ikalugin wrote:I don't think that extensive Russian-British cooperation pre 1904 was really all that possible.AgreeThat time Russia and Britain was "arcyenemy", or just "enemy"Britain and France was...
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Yes its quite bizarre how White used Japanese orders in the UK to justify further British construction, but then the Anglo Japanese Alliance wasn't signed until 1903 (?). In some ways you could argue...
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